This is the reality the ongoing dialogue with

A few days of the celebration of the twentieth anniversary of the fall of the Berlin wall, the French Secretary of State for European Affairs, Pierre Lellouche, insists on Franco-German understanding and the importance of the link between the two countries to advance Europe. He admitted however that despite a number of successes in the management of the financial crisis, the Germany is still very hesitant to move forward in the field of tax or economic cooperation.

Nicolas Sarkozy and Angela Merkel said that their relations are at fixed beautiful. Is this not the time to take new initiatives in the field of bilateral or European

I think that if he had to convince the two heads of State and the political classes in the cardinal importance of the Franco-German engine for the proper functioning of the Europe, the crisis is in is loaded. We have seen on this occasion that without agreement between Paris and Berlin, it nothing happens! This consciousness there really penetrated the minds. Therefore, anything goes: whether the appointments in Europe, economic policies, the financial regulation or large folders of the planet, such as climate or immigration, our two countries are in phase. It is of the Franco-German agreement to almost every time charting solutions. I do not say that it is easy. But I think that, with regard to Europe, we have more duties than the other Member States.

Still, one has the impression that whenever the France made in recent months, the proposals at the Germany on economic governance, the approximation of fiscal policies and trade ministers, the Germany it is scrolled.

It is true that there is a debate on these issues, including Germany. This is the fact that Europe is much expanded and that its functioning in has been made more complicated and expensive. Indeed, we have already started to discuss with our partners Germans of what will be the budgetary needs of the European Union from 2013. In economic management, it is true that there is still much progress to make. We would like. The Germany join us it I think so. But I do not think that the solution lies in the obligations and treaties. This is the reality, the ongoing dialogue with.

The fall of the wall in 1989, is not responsible for a certain loss of interest in the Germany for Europe

Hyphenation occurred then caused a global earthquake which has put into perspective the size and the place of the Russia of the United States and most countries in Europe. No one disputes that the Germany found there a central weight. But stop in France, to move from fear to another. There was a time where it is feared the Finlandization of the Germany then, in the 1990s, the "great Germany" was back and there is concern now German nationalism.

The question is rather useful to the Germany to play the game of Europe.

The new coalition leaders have to make a very important choice: they decided to make the Germany locomotive of growth in Europe over the next years, pursuing the policy of economic recovery. We do that we should welcome because it is the choice we made for the France. It could impose, de facto, austerity in Europe.

We have before us an enormous challenge: on 1 January, the European Union will have new institutions and will need to respond to half a dozen of urgent problems: the out of the crisis, the political energy, immigration, safety and the environment. Will it succeed to catalyze the energies of the two largest countries in Europe and to put at the service of Europe in the world Europe it will exist in the 21st century as one of the centres of power of this planet or will install in the wake of an américano-chinois G2. Fails, Europe runs the risk of marginalization.

In this rather intergovernmental vision of the Union what role set the European Commission

It is written nowhere that the Commission is the Government of Europe. It is an institution who thinks Europe is Europe which is useful, and that weighs its weight when States do not agree. When the Barroso Commission proposes measures to be taken when Russian gas cuts may lead to shortages in Europe, it is a good thing. But when it is much too harsh penalties for illegal anti-competitive practices such as State aid, I think that it should return to reasonable things. It is essential to implement a better competition in the European market but should not undermine industry with Chinese, Indian and foreign giants including. So I think that upstream the Commission and the Member States should work together. There has been in the past of the ideological excesses should not to reproduce.

You are denying that it defend the interests of Europe

I am simply saying that its policy is sometimes ambiguous. Take the example of the carbon tax at the borders: suspected France of protectionism because it refuses European societies to be more penalized than others who have refused any constraint on CO2 emissions. If the climate negotiations advance, need to set conditions and propose penalties, if no agreement is reached with emerging countries. In milk crisis, I was also struck by the first reaction of the Commission to the requests of the Minister of Agriculture Bruno Mayor for producers. It leaves the market operate alone and it leads to a disaster for the consumer. Either we keep a usable crisis safety net, as it is the philosophy of origin of the common agricultural policy. All of these issues arise and require a better dialogue with the Commission.